Extract from the transcript of an interview conducted by Detective Inspector Wilson of *********** CID with Andrew Johnson. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
DIW How long have you had a paper round at Mr. Anderson's shop?
AJ I got the round about 6 months ago, just after I was 13.
DIW How did you come to get the job ?
AJ My friend Andrew, he's few months older than me, already had a round there and he told me there was a vacancy so I applied for it and Mr Anderson asked me to come to the shop for an interview.
DIW Tell me about the interview.
AJ Mr. Anderson asked me a load of questions about myself, what school I went to and what I did in my spare time and that sort of thing. Then he told me about being a paper boy, what I would have to do and what the wages would be. Then he said did I want to ask him anything and then he said I could have the job.
DIW Did you start work straight away ?
AJ No because Mr Anderson said before I could start work I would have to get a medical certificate to say I was fit enough to do the job, he said that was the law. I already knew that because Andrew told me he had to get one from his doctor before he could start work.
DIW So did you go and see your doctor for the certificate ?
AJ No, I went to see Mr. Anderson's doctor
DIW Mr. Anderson's doctor ? Why didn't you see your own doctor ?
AJ Well, Mr Anderson said I would probably have to pay my doctor 25 pounds for the certificate but he said he had a special arrangement with a doctor he knew who would only charge five pounds. When I told my mum and dad they said I might as well get the certificate from Mr Anderson's doctor.
DIW So you saw Mr. Anderson's doctor, when was this ?
AJ It was on the Saturday after the interview, I had to go to the shop after closing time.
DIW Tell me what happened when you saw Mr. Anderson's doctor.
AJ Mr. Anderson took me to a room over the shop where the doctor was waiting.
DIW What was the room like ?
AJ It was quite a big room, there were some shelves at one end with boxes of sweets and cigarettes and stuff on. There was a table where the doctor was sitting and a chair in front of the table. There was a pair of scales and there was an eye testing chart on the wall. Also on the wall was one of those measuring things you stand under when they measure your height and there was a big mirror fixed to the wall like you get in clothes shops.
DIW Did Mr. Anderson stay in the room ?
AJ No, he just told the doctor my name and then he went out.
DIW Tell me what happened next.
AJ The doctor said as he didn't know me he would have to give me a check up before he could give me the certificate and he told me to sit down and he asked me a load of questions about what illnesses I'd had. Then he looked in my ears with some instrument and then he tested my eyes and he stood behind me and whispered and I had to tell him what he said.
Then he said I was to get undressed and stand on the scales. He weighed me and then he measured how tall I was then he listened to my chest. He said he wanted to listen to my heart while I was puffed out and he told me to lay down on the floor and do fifty press ups.
DIW What were you wearing while you doing this ?
AJ Nothing, I was naked. Then when I had done the press ups I stood up and he listened to my chest again.
DIW Did he examine any other parts of your body.
AJ Yes, my bottom and my privates.
DIW Tell me about that.
AJ First I had to bend over and he pulled my bottom open and looked up it. Then I had to stand up and he held my testicles and told me to cough. Then he held my penis and pulled my skin back and he made it go stiff.
DIW Did he explain why he did that ?
AJ No, he just said he needed to see me stiff and he asked me how often I rubbed myself and if I spurted when I did it.
DIW Did he do anything else ?
AJ No, he just said I was OK and I could get dressed and he said he would give the certificate to Mr Anderson.
DIW Did you tell your parents about the medical examination.
AJ Not everything - I didn't tell them I had to be nude and about him holding my privates - I was too embarrassed.
DIW Now, I understand about four weeks ago you were in some sort of trouble with Mr Anderson, what was that about.
AJ Well it was a Saturday and when I got to the shop I went to collect my papers from the back of the shop. My friend Andrew was in there as well collecting his and there was only him and me in there. At the end of the table where all the papers were laid out was a cardboard box with packets of cigarettes in and the box and lots of the cigarette packets had been damaged and it was all going to be sent back. Anyway Andrew and me took two packets of cigarettes each from the box and stuffed them in our pockets.
DIW Why did you do that ?
AJ I don't know, it just seemed a daring thing to do.
DIW Go on.
AJ When I got back to the shop to collect my weeks wages Mr Anderson took me into the back room and Andrew was already there looking very upset. Mr. Anderson told me to turn out my pockets and of course he found the cigarettes. At first he said he was going to sack us but we pleaded with him not to because we didn't want to lose our jobs and if we got the sack our parents would want to know why. Mr. Anderson said he wasn't going to let us get away with it and we would have to be punished and if we wanted to keep our jobs then we would have to agree to take whatever punishment he decided. We said OK and so he didn't sack us.
DIW So what happened ?
AJ He said he was too busy to deal with us straight away. He said we were to call back at the shop after closing time and he would think about it and sort it out then. He still paid us our wages for the week but as we were leaving he said - have you two ever had your bottoms spanked with a slipper. We said no and then he said - oh well there's a first time for everything.
DIW Did you go back to shop after closing time ?
AJ Yes, we were scared about what was going to happen because we thought he was going to spank us and neither of us had ever had that before but we didn't want to lose our jobs so we decided we'd better go.
DIW And your parents didn't know anything about this ? So you arrived back at the shop, carry on from there.
AJ No we didn't say anything to our mums and dads. When we got to the shop Mr. Anderson took us both up to the room where I had seen the doctor and he gave us a lecture about stealing and then he said as a punishment he thought we ought to have our bottoms slippered but he said there was a problem because he's not allowed to whack us. Then he said he'd had an idea, he said we could give each other the slipper and he asked us if we would agree to that.
DIW And did you agree to it ?
AJ Well we didn't really want to do it but we said OK in case he changed his mind about sacking us.
DIW What happened next.
AJ Mr. Anderson got this big leather slipper out of the draw and he handed it to Andrew and said I could get it first. He told me to take my trousers and underpants right off and to bend over the table. He pulled my shirt right up over my back and he told Andrew to give me four hard whacks on each side of my bare bottom. The first whack Andrew didn't whack all that hard so Mr. Anderson said it wouldn't count, so after that Andrew whacked me much harder and it really stung.
DIW So did you then have to whack Andrew ?
AJ Yes, Mr. Anderson told me to get dressed and then Andrew had to take his trousers and pants off and bend over the table while I whacked his bottom.
DIW Then did Mr. Anderson let you go ?
AJ Not straight away, after Andrew got dressed Mr. Anderson got us both a drink and then just before he let us go he made us both take our trousers down again and show him how red our bottoms were then he said we could go.
Press Cutting from *********** Weekly Chronicle ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
LOCAL NEWSAGENT ARRESTED IN CHILD PORN ENQUIRY
By our Crime Correspondent
During a series of local raids, police have arrested newsagent Graham Anderson who is alleged to have tricked his paper delivery boys into unwittingly appearing in porn videos. The law requires all 13 year olds to obtain a fitness certificate before starting work and in a preliminary hearing Magistrates heard police claim that Anderson offered to save parents the cost of a private consultation with their own doctors by providing a doctor at a nominal fee to conduct the examinations for the certificates.
However, according to police allegations the person who was brought in was not a doctor but one of a number of Anderson's associates who paid Anderson a sum of money in return for access to the boys. The Magistrates heard that under the pretext of conducting a medical examination the bogus doctor _s_e_x_ually molested the boys.
It is further alleged that whilst the offences were being committed, Anderson concealed himself behind a two way mirror and videotaped the offences taking place and sold copies of the videos to other associates. It is also alleged that Anderson in return for payment invited other men to join him behind the mirror to witness the 'medicals'.
The offences came to light when one boy complained to his parents about the intimate nature of the medical examination that he had been subjected to.
During the raid, police confiscated computers and video duplicating equipment and several hundred video tapes.
A police witness said they had also discovered a videotape of two boys physically abusing each other. "It has been alleged that the boys had committed some minor transgression and Anderson had punished them by forcing them to administer bare bottom spankings to each other", he said.
Police are anxious to hear from parents of any boy who has been employed in the shop during the last five years. Anderson was remanded in custody pending further enquiries and is due to appear at the Crown court next month.